17 thoughts on “Hard landing

  1. Mck Will

    There is not enough video in the right location to come up with an analysis. The aircraft appears to be a Convair 580 – but it’s hard to tell. It appears the left main gear hit a tree and the bottom side of the shock strut which houses the brake and tire assemblies separated from the upper portion of the shock strut. But just not enough info to go by. More questions than answers for sure. Like where is this?? Is the aircraft cargo or passenger or both?? Were there any injuries ?? Ant fire ?? Did they encounter severe wind shear ?? Obviously this was not a Cat 3 landing, but was the majority of the flight IFR or VFR ?? What is the runway direction and what were the winds ?? Was this reported on any news outlet ?? Sure would be nice to know more about this incident/crash.

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    1. Unfuck U

      Can’t tell you anything more about that. Just came in via Telegram.
      The way it seems to me this happened at some remote location in South America. These birds are being used for cargo and passengers and I think it’s a safe bet the final approach was by VFR since they won’t have any beacons and the like there.
      Good observation on how the landing gear got ripped off!

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      1. Mck Will

        And let’s not forget, if the pilot {actually should be pilot and co-pilot} is ok physically, then he’s going to be spending a lot of time on the phone with his chief pilot. His chief pilot will be chewing his hide and screaming “WTF!!”.

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    1. Mck Will

      If there was no fire, then there could be a slim chance it could fly again. They would need to somehow get equipment to jack the aircraft and bring in new landing gear assemblies. The runway seems really too short to handle an aircraft capable of flying this equipment and parts in but perhaps it can be trucked in. It may be beyond economical feasibility to have all this done after inspectors come in to analyze the situation. Also something that just occurred to me are the engines and propellers. It appears both engine encountered sudden stoppage which means those engines are toast. So you have engines and propellers to ship in in addition to new landing gear. If it were my airplane, assuming I could even jack the aircraft, I would do an x ray inspection of the wing spars and wing to fuselage attach fittings. If that was good, I’d change the gears and engines and get the aircraft ready for a one ferry flight to the maintenance base. Once at the maintenance base I’d order a heavy C check or possible a D check of the aircraft. But like I said, once all these are accomplished your cost may be vastly higher than just going out on the used aircraft market and buying a similar aircraft that’s airworthy. Also a big factor is the insurance payout. If the payout {claim} is big enough, then the easiest thing would be to scrap the crashed aircraft and get a replacement aircraft. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

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      1. Unfuck U

        Yeah, both engines and the right wing are toast. Dunno how old that bird was when that happened but since I believe that for such routes and airstrips mostly older yet sturdy planes are being used it’s a good bet that this plane has been scrapped.

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  2. Mck Will

    I agree with your take – now another thing I just thought of: why were there people literally just a few feet away from a 20,000 lb object coming at them at 100 mph ?? I’m guessing on the weight and speed but I think I’m close. What the heck were those people thinking ??

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    1. Unfuck U

      Nothin‘ was what they thought. They’re used to it. Always did it like that. Go check vid on YT and you’ll see it’s almost always like that.

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      1. Mck Will

        As you might possibly be able to tell, aviation is one of my passions !! As much as I love airplanes from the 2 seat build it yourselfers, to the Boeing 747, I would NEVER stand that close to an incoming aircraft. That’s just plain {no punn intended} STUPID !! Now I used to “race” 737’s on a road parallel to the runway as they took off. When the jet pushed in takeoff power I’d keep in perfect “step” with the jet until 60 MPH. At about 60 the jet would then leave me in the dust as it quickly accelerated to 150 MPH before rotation speed. At 60 I had to let off the gas in my old Ford Crown Vic because the speed limit was 45 {MPH} {for you kilometer people out there}. That was just a fun thing I used to do because I’m fascinated with the speed of things. I’ll go to horse races not to bet on the horses, but to time the winner and break out the calculator and get the average speed of the winning horse {usually 37 MPH} I have been to many a horse race but never bet one red cent !!

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  3. Mck Will

    OK I watched the video several more times – feel kind of stupid !! Yes it’s time for me to eat humble pie !! The aircraft is NOT a Convair 580. It’s either a DC-6 or DC-7. And I thought the left gear broke off – I was wrong on that one !! – it was the right gear. After playing it several times it looks like the entire right hand shock strut broke off at the Trunion {which is where the landing gear attaches to the wing/fuselage}. The engines are piston engines which use 100 octane Aviation Gasoline. I think for some reason I was not getting the full video a few days ago and now I’m getting the entire video. Not an excuse on my part but it does help to get the entire video !! Also because I had assumed it was a Convair turbo prop with 2 T-56 Allison engines, that I was looking at 2 engines, but surprise !! it’s got 4 engines !! I remember at an airport in Lawton Oklahoma where I used to rent an aircraft on a regular basis, there was a DC-6 that would load up tires from the Goodyear tire factory to fly to Detroit to be installed on new cars. Every engine start would be a fireball out the exhaust and a huge cloud of smoke. Pretty amazing !! But that was in 1988 – the DC-6 was OLD then. It’s 2020 and those things should NOT be flying – TOO OLD !!

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  4. Mck Will

    I think it’s a DC-6 !! The DC-6 has 3 bladed propellers. The DC-7 has 4 bladed propellers. In the video I’m seeing 3 bladed propellers. The DC-6 and DC-7 look very similar.

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    1. Glenda T. Goode

      I went back over the video and it appears the plane hit a mound of dirt that is on the far side of the runway. There appears to be a series of what looks to be like dump truck loads in a row on the far side. There is a lot of tall grass and if you look carefully the plane is coming in off angle to the alignment of the runway. This must have been a real shock to the command crew when the SHTF and the props hit the ground.

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  5. Mck Will

    That is a FANTASTIC observation !! I did not notice that. But what you just said I think shed a tremendous amount of light. What you just described was what I believe to be a crosswind landing. When you’re landing a low wing aircraft, if during the approach there is a crosswind, the best method is to set up a wind correction angle so the aircraft will tract straight down the runway, although the nose will either be left or right of the runway centerline. At about 10 feet above the runway you use rudder inputs to straighten the nose so you can touch down with the wheels pointing in the direction of travel. If you hit the ground and the wheels are too far angled away you can collapse a gear very easily. Being off center of the runway also is a recepie ,for doom. The gear can handle EXTREME loads provided the wheels are pointed in the same direction as the aircraft travel. So I think you nailed it. A crosswind landing, failure to use rudder to straighten the nose, failure to touchdown in the runway center. What I would have done, {assuming I had some fuel remaining} is I’d do a slow pass over the airstrip with the flaps down to position 1 or 2 and LOOK for obstacles since we’re not talking LAX or JFK or Dulles Intl or DFW here !! Then upon approach if for any reason I’m off center or too high or too low I GO AROUND no ifs, ands, or buts. So all I got to say is this crew has much explaining to do !! About 5 years ago a SWA 737 landed at the wrong airport near Branson Missouri and stopped within 50 feet of going over a cliff because the runway was only for “little airplanes” . Nobody was hurt, and ZERO damage to the aircraft but the 2 pilots were fired. In the video you got a trashed highly damaged aircraft, so those guys are probably driving cement trucks or flipping burgers!!

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    1. Mck Will

      And oh yea the mounds – you surely don’t want to hit those !! I forgot to talk about the mounds but it was implied in the reason to do a slow overpass to LOOK for obstacles like MOUNDS of dirt and let’s not forget the people standing out there. That is absolutely STUPID and that could have spooked the pilot but again when you learn how to fly you are taught how to “go around” or to be more technical, “initiate a missed approach” {if you’re using “approach plates” which is a fancy word for Airport diagram on paper}

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